global warming true or false?

[Pirates Armada]

Yeah we better watch out for all those money hungry fake greenies in the government who's big plans are making lots of money off wind farms and gas made from corn rather then oil??????? not to mention all those documentaries that their scoring big on!!

Psr- you used cheeks and rectify in the same sentence, is that even kosher?

I for one do agree we should use the clubbing tactics, your on to something here!!

[grrr]

Hi
Thanks for your level headed responses, my post appears to have been read in the spirit it was intended. But id just like to qualify my remark that Paul responded to with. "I've not actually seen any rational and reasoned explanation of how getting a "false" acceptance of global warming can readily make anyone (or any government) extra money,"
It seems "in the uk at least" that every aspect of climate change is being exploited, from recycling whereby we pay through or taxes to have the raw materials extracted, only to buy the product back at an inflated price. through to the recent hike in air fares where people (even though they had already paid for their travel in advance) are now charged an additional "green tax". Now most people would not have an issue if they could see that this additional money was channelled directly back in efforts that could improve the environment, rather than it just being absorbed in the government coffers. and squandered on items such as MPs expenses so they can live a more lavish lifestyle. and if governments want to do anything about the real issue, then they have to act and not just talk.

[adriannem]

Is this still a question? I guess skeptisism time has passed. Global warming is obvious and I see more and more people are sensing the impact of the climate change.

I agree Grrrr! The western governments are going to cash in on global warming just like they do with everthing else with a high dollar value attached. Lets face it, whatever they sell beit oil, arms or drugs they only see a 'profit margin' whereas with green taxes they are guaranteed 100% profit and no-one will complain about the new taxes because they have played the ultimate joker card, public fear, and what could be a more useful slogan than the end of the world. As Hitler once said, "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it"!
Global warming is happening of that there is no doubt but in a so called democracy where scientists words are bought and sold like a useful commodity what are we supposed believe?
CO2 is only 0.28% of the total greenhouse gasses and that includes the latest man made 27% increase. I'll tell you what, I just don't believe that CO2 is to blame, people can call me an idiot till they're blue in the face but I'm not buying into the hype yet, I'm not convinced.....

....and another thing, whats all this bulls**t about the ozone hole healing up because we stopped using CFC's??? Absolute codswallop! The hole was at its biggest ever late 2005 so its not working and we are being lied to again. The statistics are freely available for all to see on the internet. It took me 3 minutes to find that lie!

Sorry if I seem a bit loud this morning but we just moved house! stress stress stress stress stress

[adriannem]

I see we think the same. Those climate changes are not made by us driving cars and stuff, but by more dramatic actions. We did not have cars 150 years ago, so this source of pollution is eliminated in the previous climate changes! IPCC report is not relevant and I am not sure it should even be taken seriousely.

Consider that the Earth is 70% water. This is huge! Don't you think waters can change climate? In my opinion, ocean has a big contribution to the climate change. But how can oceans be affected? By naval activity: navigation and wars. And we did plenty of that!

Hmmm! Now you come to mention it what contribution have all the nuke tests had on the climate? Lots of those tests were in the oceans. Heat is lost from the ocean currents very slowly thats why the UK basks in warm gulf-stream waters from 3500 miles away, it takes weeks for that water to make its way across to us and it doesn't lose much heat on the way. Imagine the heat injected by a large underwater nuclear explosion. How long would it take to dissipate into the atmos'? Many years?? Not to mention the CO2...oops! Too late!

A few minutes searching came up with this, interesting little snippet of info.

http://www.llnl.gov/str/Duffy.html

The trapped methane is an unknown quantity in any future analysis too. That does worry me because its impossible to measure, so it remains one of those spooky unknown factors that could tip the balance well and truly over the edge. Hey Adriannem just think of all that Dino-methane...no comet or asteroid required just a rapid global meltdown caused by all that flatulence! It would also explain the disappearance of the ocean dwellers at the time of the mass extinction! A methane rich ocean would be a bit of a deadly environment. Would it not poison anything with gills?

[adriannem]

The amount and the concentration of water in the atmosphere do matter. If the atmosphere is divided into two ‘warming’ or energy bearing mediums, more precisely water and greenhouse gases (CO2, methane, etc.), then the atmospheric humidity will have a warming capacity equal to a two-meter deep layer of the ocean surface, while greenhouse gases, a power equal to a one-meter deep layer. Practically, this means that a rise of the atmospheric temperature with 1?C must cause a drop of an equivalent amount in the upper three meters of the ocean. But because water vapor is usually in a much higher concentration at lower altitudes, its impact on the weather is much more powerful than CO2. CO2 is always equally distributed throughout the atmosphere. Their weather and temperature functioning are extremely different from ‘water in the air’. Water vapor is well above 95% responsible for the greenhouse effect; and on a foggy day, even 100%.

[psr]

WOW! I'm impressed...once I have finished with the translations I'm certain I'll be even more impressed!!

psr

Marko_SL
Do you own research on this and look closely at the people pushing it. Also go back in history during your research and look at what occurred when we were 2-3 degrees higher than now. Also look at other main CO2 producers and determine if they need to be eliminated to save gia. Amazing how the Governments are pushing this but not showing the whole picture.

Africa has massive CO2 producing lakes and springs naturally occurring.
One lake exploded releasing 150million tons Per Science Channel. They
installed a pipe in the middle to drain the CO2 from the lake. This will take 16 Years to release all the CO2 in the crater lake to keep from again exploding. The last naturally occurring CO2 explosion killed 1800 people.
Also hundreds of Natural CO2 springs bubbling up.

Also my favorite question to ask?
Whats the largest energy source to heating our planet.
Amazing how people get this wrong but its the sun. We have sun spot records going back to the 1600's, Nasa has stated the more activity the warmer our environment.

NASA -
Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:30 pm ET
20 March 2003

In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's climate if it has been going on for a century or more, said study leader Richard Willson, a Columbia University researcher also affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been monitored with precision since satellite technology allowed necessary observations. Willson is not sure if the trend extends further back in time, but other studies suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," Willson said.

In a NASA-funded study recently published in Geophysical Research Letters, Willson and his colleagues speculate on the possible history of the trend based on data collected in the pre-satellite era.

"Solar activity has apparently been going upward for a century or more," Willson told SPACE.com today.



Termites - Quote from Science Magazine

Termite and Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Facts: Termites produce more Carbon Dioxide (CO2) each year than all living things combined.


Scientists have calculated that termites alone produce ten times as much carbon dioxide as all the fossil fuels burned in the whole world in a year.


Pound for pound, the weight of all the termites in the world is greater than the total weight of humans.


Scientists estimate that, worldwide, termites may release over 150 million tons of methane gas into the atmosphere annually. In our lower atmosphere this methane then reacts to form carbon dioxide and ozone.


It is estimated that for every human on Earth there may be 1000 pounds of termites.


On the average Termites expel gas composed of about 59% nitrogen, 21% hydrogen, 9% carbon dioxide, 7% methane, and 4% oxygen.


It is thought "There are 2,600 different species of termites, and it is estimated that there are at least a million billion individual termites on Earth that they emit two and four percent of the global carbon dioxide and methane budget, respectively-both mediated directly or indirectly by their microbes.


Termites eat cellulose, but they can not digest it without the help of microorganisms in their gut. Single-celled protozoan are the primary organisms that break the bonds that turn cellulose into units of glucose, and from there, the termite can break the glucose bonds, release the energy, and give off carbon dioxide and water.

The Science magazine reports that termites annually generate more than twice as much carbon dioxide as mankind does burning fossil fuels. One termite species annually emits 600,000 metric tons of formic acid into the atmosphere, an amount equal to the combined contributions of automobiles, refuse combustion and vegetation.

Also food for thought:
Al Gore
Owns 3 Mansions
Multiple Vehicles
Private Jet
On one of his estates he has a zinc mine that he allows to be mined, and the mining company has been fined repeatedly for polluting the local river with heavy metals.
Large carbon foot print for someone who cares.

Dig into the lifestyles of the Top Global Warming Advocates, pretty interesting. All for the top non for the serfs.

Now can people do a better job on consumption and waste of course.
But science corrupted for an agenda does not serve us well. Considering from 1932 - 1964 USA schools taught we were going in to another Ice age.


Again don't listen to me or anyone else do your own research and look for the truth and listen to others carefully.

[Paul Ward]

"One fool can ask more questions in a minute than twelve wise men can answer in an hour"

The problem is that with the advent of technology, those fools state the questions as fact instead and with the aid of a search-engine anyone can be an "expert" without any background or appropriate critical faculties.

Termites - global warming!

Termites feed on wood. They release carbon dioxide from the wood in huge quantities. They need more wood. This is made through photosynthesis. This uses carbon dioxide from the air. Termites have been around for over 100 million years. They have not just started to cause global warming in the last 100.

Increase in sun's radiation - blimey! you'd have thought some scientists might have spotted that one!

From the same article you refer to:

That does not mean industrial pollution has not been a significant factor, Willson cautioned.

Willson said the Sun's possible influence has been largely ignored because it is so difficult to quantify over long periods.

Yawn.